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		<title>By: Vineet Garg</title>
		<link>http://www.telecomcircle.com/2009/02/carriers-ebidta/comment-page-1/#comment-1219</link>
		<dc:creator>Vineet Garg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mohit,

This article is having in depth analysis of Indian market. But i do&#039;t understand how would incumbent operators will response to tariff war started with per second billing. I have read somewhere that a call cost 40 paise to Reliance and they are offering 50 paise per minute for local,std and even roaming. How could operators will be able to sustain EBDITA of 40% . Moreover 3G auction is supposed to be held in near future; for which base price is Rs. 3500 Crores. I think in future we will see lots of happening coming in Telecom Industry of India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mohit,</p>
<p>This article is having in depth analysis of Indian market. But i do&#8217;t understand how would incumbent operators will response to tariff war started with per second billing. I have read somewhere that a call cost 40 paise to Reliance and they are offering 50 paise per minute for local,std and even roaming. How could operators will be able to sustain EBDITA of 40% . Moreover 3G auction is supposed to be held in near future; for which base price is Rs. 3500 Crores. I think in future we will see lots of happening coming in Telecom Industry of India.</p>
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		<title>By: santosh</title>
		<link>http://www.telecomcircle.com/2009/02/carriers-ebidta/comment-page-1/#comment-1154</link>
		<dc:creator>santosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its gonna be very interesting and tricky once MNP comes into play. There will lot of aggressive promotions to counter that small 1% or even 10% bonuses. Just one month of aggressive promotions and a chunk of customers can move from one to other service provider. This is India and we have seen such things happening in the past also.

As someone pointed out. VAS is going to play a bigger role in the coming years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its gonna be very interesting and tricky once MNP comes into play. There will lot of aggressive promotions to counter that small 1% or even 10% bonuses. Just one month of aggressive promotions and a chunk of customers can move from one to other service provider. This is India and we have seen such things happening in the past also.</p>
<p>As someone pointed out. VAS is going to play a bigger role in the coming years.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea. However, the benefits offered by the other operators could exceed 10%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea. However, the benefits offered by the other operators could exceed 10%</p>
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		<title>By: sn55</title>
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		<dc:creator>sn55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All, 
 
Some creative idea to reward loyalty in the era of MNP. Give additional 1% discount every month to both post and pre paid customer with a max cap of 10 to 15%. This will ensure higher loyalty as they loose on discount reducing churn rates. Your views??? 
 
rgds // Sourav </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All, </p>
<p>Some creative idea to reward loyalty in the era of MNP. Give additional 1% discount every month to both post and pre paid customer with a max cap of 10 to 15%. This will ensure higher loyalty as they loose on discount reducing churn rates. Your views??? </p>
<p>rgds // Sourav</p>
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		<title>By: Jagadish</title>
		<link>http://www.telecomcircle.com/2009/02/carriers-ebidta/comment-page-1/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>Jagadish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mohit, 
A great article and this demonstrates the succes of outsourcing or Managed IT Services.  
However with MNP round the corner, there are two challenges for the operators 
1. Customer Churn - They have to come up with innovative services and pricing / service models to retain thier customers 
2. The investment that they have to put in Interconnet billing platforms 
 
Rgrds, 
Jagadish </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mohit,<br />
A great article and this demonstrates the succes of outsourcing or Managed IT Services.<br />
However with MNP round the corner, there are two challenges for the operators<br />
1. Customer Churn &#8211; They have to come up with innovative services and pricing / service models to retain thier customers<br />
2. The investment that they have to put in Interconnet billing platforms </p>
<p>Rgrds,<br />
Jagadish</p>
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		<title>By: raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article. 
 
Reducing ARPU and price wars cannot continue for long. The only way out is VAS which is in a boom. Complete advertising campaigns are being designed through this channel and complete infrastructure is being supported by MVAS companies. Rural market penetration is a slow process and even new subscriptions at a 20-30% growth will not add much to the bottom line looking at so many players.  New models of revenue are the only way out. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. </p>
<p>Reducing ARPU and price wars cannot continue for long. The only way out is VAS which is in a boom. Complete advertising campaigns are being designed through this channel and complete infrastructure is being supported by MVAS companies. Rural market penetration is a slow process and even new subscriptions at a 20-30% growth will not add much to the bottom line looking at so many players.  New models of revenue are the only way out.</p>
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		<title>By: On Telecom &#171; MICA Students on Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>On Telecom &#171; MICA Students on Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 18:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one of the many reasons mentioned by him: Paradigm shift from ARPU to revenue per min – Indian carriers stopped looking at the ARPU as one [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rupesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rupesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not 40%, its more than that.

How? : All Indian operators are big time in Site sharing, specially Bharti-Vodafone-Idea thru Indus towers (with more than 95k towers as on Mar09), they pay infrastructure rentals  to Indus towers,  This payment is treated as Opex and reduces EBITDA, but revenue generation thru this business is taken as other Income (Below EBIT line) as revenue flows are Dividend from Industowers. This is right accounting practice but this practice reduces EBITDA by around 1.5%-2%. :)

I worked with Bharti and Hutch in India, Since beginning indian operators are concentrating big time on costs, they never allowed costs to go out of hand, you have mentioned few of the examples, but the reality is any operator can manage this kind of margin if they honestly try to keep costs low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not 40%, its more than that.</p>
<p>How? : All Indian operators are big time in Site sharing, specially Bharti-Vodafone-Idea thru Indus towers (with more than 95k towers as on Mar09), they pay infrastructure rentals  to Indus towers,  This payment is treated as Opex and reduces EBITDA, but revenue generation thru this business is taken as other Income (Below EBIT line) as revenue flows are Dividend from Industowers. This is right accounting practice but this practice reduces EBITDA by around 1.5%-2%. <img src='http://www.telecomcircle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I worked with Bharti and Hutch in India, Since beginning indian operators are concentrating big time on costs, they never allowed costs to go out of hand, you have mentioned few of the examples, but the reality is any operator can manage this kind of margin if they honestly try to keep costs low.</p>
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		<title>By: Philippe Prodhomme</title>
		<link>http://www.telecomcircle.com/2009/02/carriers-ebidta/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Philippe Prodhomme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reaching 40% Ebitda with such low prices is certainly achievable with high volumes, efficient operating structure and optimized transmission framework. 
At this type of revenue per minute, and considering present technology costs, there are very little chances network investment can be repaid (especially if it include backbone in order to transfer transmission from Opex to Capex). Then the key question is not which level of Ebitda you achieve but how and when you break even</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reaching 40% Ebitda with such low prices is certainly achievable with high volumes, efficient operating structure and optimized transmission framework.<br />
At this type of revenue per minute, and considering present technology costs, there are very little chances network investment can be repaid (especially if it include backbone in order to transfer transmission from Opex to Capex). Then the key question is not which level of Ebitda you achieve but how and when you break even</p>
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		<title>By: Mohamed Maher</title>
		<link>http://www.telecomcircle.com/2009/02/carriers-ebidta/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohamed Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many ideas for cost saving initiatives (I would call it quick wins without investments first and then initiatives) as Operators were focusing on competing and not optimizing enough due to excellent profits. 
I would recommend reading Blue Ocean Strategy book for growing the cake also</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many ideas for cost saving initiatives (I would call it quick wins without investments first and then initiatives) as Operators were focusing on competing and not optimizing enough due to excellent profits.<br />
I would recommend reading Blue Ocean Strategy book for growing the cake also</p>
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		<title>By: Mario Castro</title>
		<link>http://www.telecomcircle.com/2009/02/carriers-ebidta/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Mario Castro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mohit, thank you for remarks on this article. 
It is quite interesting how emerging markets where ARPU is low in comparison to developed markets, profit is proportionally higher. One of the main reasons is scale economies will reduce impact of fixed costs, another component is the labor cost in two ways: people remuneration is lower and efficiency per worker is higher. People well prepared in IT and focused on Research and development traduces in a better resource allocation. 

regards, 

Mario</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mohit, thank you for remarks on this article.<br />
It is quite interesting how emerging markets where ARPU is low in comparison to developed markets, profit is proportionally higher. One of the main reasons is scale economies will reduce impact of fixed costs, another component is the labor cost in two ways: people remuneration is lower and efficiency per worker is higher. People well prepared in IT and focused on Research and development traduces in a better resource allocation. </p>
<p>regards, </p>
<p>Mario</p>
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		<title>By: vijay</title>
		<link>http://www.telecomcircle.com/2009/02/carriers-ebidta/comment-page-1/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>vijay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mohit,
Real interesting article and thanks.

While I agree with the factors listed out by you that have helped to reduce the tariff rates to the lowest possible in the world thereby mutually benefitting the customer as well as the  operators themselves. But I still feel there is great scope to further reduce the rates which I expect one of the operators in India to initiate as has been done with &quot;Nano&quot; that will change the dynamics in the  Telecom Industry globally. Thrust of the tariff reduction is yet to come in India is what I foresee when sharing and outsourcing will have really settled in (imagine when Tower sharing is raised from 1.5 to 3.0) the benefits that can be passed on to customers and the corresponding growth that has been rightly depicted in the graph. 

Innnovation will really kick in once the new players roll out the services, and that will be the impetus for the players to take the learnings to other shores and maintain EBIDTA of 40%. 

regards

vijay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mohit,<br />
Real interesting article and thanks.</p>
<p>While I agree with the factors listed out by you that have helped to reduce the tariff rates to the lowest possible in the world thereby mutually benefitting the customer as well as the  operators themselves. But I still feel there is great scope to further reduce the rates which I expect one of the operators in India to initiate as has been done with &#8220;Nano&#8221; that will change the dynamics in the  Telecom Industry globally. Thrust of the tariff reduction is yet to come in India is what I foresee when sharing and outsourcing will have really settled in (imagine when Tower sharing is raised from 1.5 to 3.0) the benefits that can be passed on to customers and the corresponding growth that has been rightly depicted in the graph. </p>
<p>Innnovation will really kick in once the new players roll out the services, and that will be the impetus for the players to take the learnings to other shores and maintain EBIDTA of 40%. </p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>vijay</p>
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		<title>By: Ankur Lal</title>
		<link>http://www.telecomcircle.com/2009/02/carriers-ebidta/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Ankur Lal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article. very nice website!!!

Do you know how the prepaid revenue is accrued in the operators books. Since 99% is prepaid - this could be significant - 70 - 80% of their total revenue. Do they book it on sales, or they actually book it on usage.

Ankur</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article. very nice website!!!</p>
<p>Do you know how the prepaid revenue is accrued in the operators books. Since 99% is prepaid &#8211; this could be significant &#8211; 70 &#8211; 80% of their total revenue. Do they book it on sales, or they actually book it on usage.</p>
<p>Ankur</p>
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		<title>By: SVN Arvind</title>
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		<dc:creator>SVN Arvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ankush,

I tend to agree with you on the issue of customer retention in prepaid also. I think operators need to have a mindset change and start looking at the total customer lifetime value instead of just subscriber acquisition.

It is going to be more critical as the new subs are coming from rural and low income urban segments with low ARPUs.

Unfortunately, analysts till recently have been only talking about net adds. This is changing now with focus on profitability and we should see more activities on retaining customer base from the  operators.

Regards
SVN Arvind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ankush,</p>
<p>I tend to agree with you on the issue of customer retention in prepaid also. I think operators need to have a mindset change and start looking at the total customer lifetime value instead of just subscriber acquisition.</p>
<p>It is going to be more critical as the new subs are coming from rural and low income urban segments with low ARPUs.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, analysts till recently have been only talking about net adds. This is changing now with focus on profitability and we should see more activities on retaining customer base from the  operators.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
SVN Arvind</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Mohit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Mohit</p>
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